Feb. 25, 2026

R.E.A.L. Confidence For Everyday With Simone Knego, EP 305

R.E.A.L. Confidence For Everyday With Simone Knego, EP 305
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Doubt shows up for everyone, even the most decorated athletes. We invited bestselling author and two-time TEDx speaker Simone Knego to break down a simple, durable system for building confidence that actually holds under pressure. Her REAL method—respect yourself, embrace your failures, ask yourself what you want, and live without limits—turns confidence from a fuzzy feeling into a daily practice you can train like endurance, breath control, or pacing.

We start by redefining self-respect as the foundation of performance: recovery, sleep, and boundaries that protect your best work. Simone explains how setting limits at home, on teams, and at the office teaches others how to treat you. Then we reframe failure as data, not identity, and share practical ways to process a bad race or rough set without letting it define the next one. You’ll hear why giving yourself a “move on” date shortens the spiral and how to turn the inner critic into a useful coach.

Asking what you truly want might be the hardest—and most freeing—step. Masters swimmers and weekend warriors alike feel the pull of old identities and outside expectations. We explore how naming your real goals changes your training, stress, and satisfaction. Simone also shares her quick “Control Alt Delete” mindset reset: catch the thought, tell a better story, and delete beliefs that don’t serve you. It’s a powerful pattern interrupt when stakes are high.

Simone’s Kilimanjaro climb ties it all together. Training from flat Florida with breath-restriction work, loaded hikes, and strength, she learned to manage doubt one step at a time. On the mountain and during a painful descent, she discovered that going slower can reveal more—and that persistence is confidence in motion. We also talk openly about leaving an abusive relationship, repairing self-talk, and modeling respect for the next generation.

If you’re ready to build unshakeable confidence without burning out, this conversation offers clear tools you can use today. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a boost, and leave a quick review to help others find the show. What part of the REAL method will you try first?

Email us at HELLO@ChampionsMojo.com. Opinions discussed are not medical advice, please seek a medical professional for your own health concerns.

You can learn more about the Host and Founder of Champions Mojo at www.KellyPalace.com

00:00 - Welcome And Why Confidence Slips

02:35 - Defining Real Confidence: The REAL Method

05:45 - Self-Respect, Self-Care And Boundaries

09:40 - Embracing Failure As Fuel

13:05 - Asking What You Truly Want

19:10 - The Control Alt Delete Mindset Reset

22:14 - Live Without Limits And Daily Reps

25:20 - Training For Kilimanjaro From Flat Florida

30:05 - Summit Lessons And Slower Wins

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Welcome to another episode of the award-winning Champions Mojo with Kelly Palace.

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Hello, friends.

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Welcome to the Champions Mojo podcast, where we bring you interviews to perform better in the water or in life.

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I'm your host, Kelly Palace, and I'm here to champion you.

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Today we have a special guest who will help us gain real confidence.

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Master Swarmers and anyone who's ever had to wrangle that inner voice, this one's for you.

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Our guest, Simone Knego, is a bestselling author and two-time TEDx speaker who specializes in helping people build genuine, repeatable confidence when the pressure is on.

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She's climbed Mount Kilimanjaro, led global initiatives, and teaches a simple truth.

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Confidence is a skill you can train just like endurance, grit, and mindset.

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Her insights are spot on for athletes who want to stay motivated, keep showing up, and reach their next breakthrough.

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Simone, welcome to the show.

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Thank you.

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I'm excited to be here.

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It is great to have you because you know, when I have talked to so many Olympic athletes, like we've had 50, I think 50 Olympic champion swimmers on the show and Olympic coaches.

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And when you ask Olympic champions, even those that go out and win the gold medal at the Olympics, they say that they lack confidence.

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Can you believe that?

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I actually do believe it.

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I think so many people struggle.

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It doesn't matter what you've accomplished, you still have that voice in your head that likes to tell you that you can't do something or that you're not good enough.

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So tell us about what having real confidence is and how we can use that.

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So I can't, well, first of all, I love the word real, right?

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I know we use the word authentic a lot, but I find real to be more real.

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So that was kind of where I started.

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And it was really important for me to kind of identify the transformation I went through.

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So I was someone who really struggled with self-doubt, that constant voice inside my head.

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And it took a big moment for me to kind of realize what I was capable of.

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And that's where my real method was born.

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So basically, real stands for respect yourself, embrace your failures, ask yourself what you want, and live without limits.

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And I started with respect yourself because I think that's found the foundation for everything we do, especially around confidence.

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I remember as a child being taught to respect my elders, my peers, but never once do I remember being taught that the most important person to respect is myself.

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And it's interesting, the more people I speak with, they say the same thing.

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I don't ever remember being taught that.

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It was a constant, ooh, you need to respect your teacher, right?

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You need to respect Mrs.

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So-and-so, right?

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She's your teacher.

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But it's so important that we take a step back and say, okay, how are we respecting ourselves?

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Right.

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So a lot of times we'll go into a situation and say, Well, I'm going to go in there and I'm going to demand respect.

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Well, what's actually important is to actually demonstrate it to yourself.

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So when people see how you're willing to be treated, that's how you are going to be treated.

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So that first piece, I think is it really is the foundation for everything else, so that you can then move forward into all the other things that we struggle with, embracing our failures, asking yourself what we want and the limits we place on ourselves.

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I mean, I'm happy to break it all down, but you tell me where you want me to go.

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I think with an athlete, respecting ourselves will often mean self-care.

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So would self-care come under self-respect?

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My husband and I are obviously athletes.

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We had a big trip last week.

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Right now, in the winter, we train really hard.

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And you can push yourself too hard, and then you get a virus, and then you're out for two weeks.

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And so I kept telling my husband, we get up early, we get up at five, and we swim at 5:30 or 6.

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And he was also running, like in the cold, and he just wasn't to me, he wasn't respecting himself.

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So he got very sick about two weeks ago, and he's missed almost two weeks of practice.

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And I did not get sick, knock on wood, because I feel like that I did a little bit more self-care.

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So that to me, is that an example of respecting ourselves?

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And what what other one might you give that's not necessarily a swimming example?

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Yeah, definitely self-care is huge, right?

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Because we always feel that we need to do everything for everybody else, but we need to take care of ourselves first.

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I mean, that that is how it works.

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That if we take care of ourselves, we're able to do more things.

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So that's such a big part of respecting yourself.

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I would say another one is setting boundaries, right?

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That that same piece of uh people love to dump work on other people or, you know, even, I mean, let's talk about in the swimming world.

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There's lots of plans that have to be made for each event.

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And people usually have responsibilities associated with them.

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And there are people that will say, you know what, I can't get to this.

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Can you do it for me?

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And a lot of times we'll say, Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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But sometimes when we're really busy, we have to be able to say no so that we can protect ourselves, so that we can do all the other things that we need to do.

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Yeah, that's that's perfect.

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And just setting boundaries is like, I don't need to go double workouts or I don't need to lift weights on the same day that I'm doing a really hard workout.

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So I think that's a beautiful one.

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Okay, so we cover the R.

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What's the E?

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Embrace your failures.

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This is hard for everybody, right?

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Because I think, you know, society has taught us that if you you fail at something, you're a failure, but it doesn't work that way.

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Like if you fail at something, it's a moment in time.

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And so, and and failure is part of success, right?

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You're not just successful out of the gate for anything, right?

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You you have to practice, you have to put in the work.

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And we often think of like, let's talk about a baby, like when they first learn to walk, right?

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They fall all the time, but they keep on getting back up, right?

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That's how you learn.

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But we take things so personally and we've we're so focused on what everybody else thinks.

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And oh my gosh, that was embarrassing.

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Like I'm supposed to be swimming at this level, I can't forgive myself for it, right?

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And that's not true at all, right?

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You everybody has bad days.

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And if we looked at it differently, if we looked at it like, okay, that was a bad day, or it's a learning process, then I think we would look at failure in a completely different light.

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Like it's a bump in the road.

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That's it.

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Like, show all the emotions.

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If you're really upset about something, show all the emotions, but then move on.

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Pick a day and move on because otherwise you're gonna be stuck there forever and you're gonna constantly question, ooh, am I good enough?

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I shouldn't be doing this.

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And so I think it's really flipping the script on what a failure means.

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Yes.

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And I, you know, we talk about this all the time on the show.

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I think every single really bad failure is an opportunity to learn.

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It's like that is what most comes out of me.

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You either win or you learn something.

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And in, you know, in your biggest failures, you really kind of learn the most.

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So I I love that.

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I think that's really a huge part of confidence.

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Just say, okay, I might fail, but I am I'm definitely gonna learn something.

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And that's what when I'm behind the blocks and I'm really nervous, that's what I kind of say to myself.

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Well, I'm either gonna have a great swim or I'm gonna learn something.

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So I love that.

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And if you don't try, you'll never know, right?

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So a lot of people say, Oh no, I'm not gonna do that because what if I fail?

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Okay, so what?

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What if you fail?

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Right?

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I mean, yeah, what's the worst thing that's gonna happen?

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So absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Okay, bring us the A.

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Ask yourself what you want.

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This is this is probably the hardest one.

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And if we're if we talk about women for a second here, this is really the hardest one for women.

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But across the board, I think it's really hard because we are conditioned to do so much for other people, and especially like in our lives, we're you know, we're working, we're doing all the things, and we're a lot of times going from point A to point B with our head down.

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And so that idea of saying, wait, is this something that I really want, or am I doing it because someone else wants me to?

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Right.

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There's certain things we have to do, right?

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When it comes to work, there's certain things we have to do.

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But in in life in general, like there's, I mean, I love that swimming is a part of your everyday life.

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For a lot of people, they don't have something outside of work or home and they kind of lose themselves.

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And so it's really taking a look at your life and saying, think back to when you were a little kid, right?

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What did you want when you were a little kid?

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Because that kid still exists.

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That kid is still in there.

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Do things that make you happy, do things that you really want to do.

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And for a lot of people, I don't mean quit your job tomorrow.

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What I mean is that there's things that you can do on the side that are as satisfying if you were doing it full time.

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So again, making sure that you take that time to do things that you that really interest you instead of just going through and saying, this is all I get to do.

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I had someone say to me the other day, and this actually goes a little bit back to self-care.

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Um, because I believe that you need at least 15 minutes a day.

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And he said to me, uh, what what about the people that say they absolutely have zero time to be able to do that?

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And my response was ask them how much time they spend scrolling on their phone, because there is definitely 15 minutes that you can take for yourself.

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So there is definitely time in your life that you can do something that you really want.

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Yeah, that's such a great point.

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Yeah, we just spend a lot of time scrolling and when you could do that.

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And I I think another um how what takes the pressure off of me or or maybe gives me more confidence.

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And I think other athletes might relate to this, is when you ask yourself what you want.

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So sometimes, especially in master swimming, we can do anything from just show up and be there for the social fun element to we have former Olympians that are swimming, that all eyes are on them, and when they swim in a meet, it hits the big swimming news website.

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And so there's a lot of pressure to no pressure in master swimming, and it's really what you want.

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So I think asking yourself, do I really have to perform like I did when I was a college all-American?

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Or do I have to perform?

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Do I have to win this race?

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Or can I just go and have fun?

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And I think if you ask yourself, am I doing this because I want to be a top 10 or I want to be an all-American?

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Or do I just do master swimming because I can eat a little bit more?

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It makes me feel good.

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I get to be around my friends.

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If you really do ask yourself why you swim or why you work out or why you play pickleball or why you do anything that's just for you, if you do have that time, then maybe you don't have to be the best at it.

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So I think that's a really good one to add to your confidence.

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And I want to add a little mindset hack that I use, which kind of is across the board.

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But, you know, a lot of times when we have that voice in our head, I call it the what if whisperer, like, oh my gosh.

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Like, so if I if I decide now as a master swimmer, I I only want to do like for social, right?

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That I'm not gonna be competitive like I used to be, right?

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That there comes the voice, right?

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Oh, people are gonna think, what's wrong with her?

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Like, what are they doing or what's wrong with him?

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Right.

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And so um my mindset hack is called control alt-delete, very creative.

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But it uh back in the day, that's how we would reset a frozen computer.

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Now it brings up task manager, which I don't even know what that means, but that's what it does.

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But, you know, sometimes our minds freeze too, right?

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We spiral in self-doubt, we get stuck in that comparison game, we worry about what everybody else is thinking.

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So control is about awareness, right?

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It's understanding that the thoughts that are coming into your mind are just thoughts.

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Like they're not reality.

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And understanding that, then you can do something different.

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So alt is about alternative.

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Tell yourself a better story.

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And tell instead of telling yourself that you can't do something, tell yourself that you can.

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Or instead of telling yourself that, oh, what if I fail?

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How about when I succeed?

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The last part is delete.

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Delete the habits and beliefs that don't serve you.

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Delete the comparison game, delete the belief that you're not enough, delete the apology.

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And that's how you move forward.

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So anytime I have those thoughts that come in, I catch them because they're still gonna come in.

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It doesn't matter how confident you are.

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There are still gonna be times where you have these thoughts and you catch them and you change them and you move forward.

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I yeah, that is that's really great.

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Any any little hack like that is cool.

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So control alt-delete is very good.

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So the L.

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We are on the L.

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Live without limits.

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So we limit ourselves from the minute we wake up until the second we go to bed, right?

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Uh, we tell ourselves that we're not good enough, we're, you know, we're not capable, we're not pretty enough, we're not skinny enough, we're not fit enough, whatever it is.

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When I was younger, there was a period of time where I was a stay-at-home mom.

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And the way I would describe myself was I'm just a stay-at-home mom, or I'm just Rob's wife.

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I'm just a volunteer, really justifying my existence.

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So my response to that is drop the just because we're not just anyone or anything, right?

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We're all unique.

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We're all different.

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And to try to talk about ourselves with limits, which is what we do, you know, start catching yourself and saying, no, I don't, I don't need to say this about myself.

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Like, I need to be proud of exactly who I am.

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And it's not a light switch, it's something that we work on all the time.

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You know, it's funny, I a lot of people think, oh, that person's so confident and I'm just not.

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Confidence is a skill, like just like swimming, right?

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You have to work at it to be really good.

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Like the best swimmers in the world don't go once a month and say, Oh, yeah, okay, that's why I did bad.

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Right.

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So it's the same thing with confidence.

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You work on it every day, whether you use positive affirmations, evening gratitudes, things that really help you build yourself up.

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And you see it a ton in in professional sports, um, sports across the board, where you see athletes who are talking to themselves, you know, telling themselves what they're capable of, because your thoughts become your reality.

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And what you say to yourself is what you believe.

00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:51.840
Yes, that's so true.

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It really is a muscle.

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Confidence is a muscle.

00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:59.039
Two steps forward, one step back still gets you to your destination.

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You can really build it until it gets to become a strength for you.

00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:08.480
So uh tell us about climbing Mount Kilimanjaro.

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I know it's a big mountain, but that's about all I know.

00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:18.639
So it's the tallest freestanding mountain in the world, but it is the also the highest peak in Africa.

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It's 19,341 feet.

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And I never climbed anything before.

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I live in Florida.

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I have, you know, 16 steps in my house.

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There's one hill in Florida that used to be a trash dump.

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So training was very interesting.

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But I was someone who really struggled with self-doubt my the majority of my life and really needed needed something to get out of my comfort zone, right?

00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:49.600
I have six kids.

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I have done many things in my life, but I just didn't feel like I had found my purpose.

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And not that my kids are not my purpose.

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I mean, that's a big part of my purpose.

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But so I was asked to do it.

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A friend of ours had climbed it the previous year.

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He asked my husband, and my husband in three seconds or less said, no, thank you.

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Call Simone.

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And so he did.

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And and I said yes.

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And I said yes because I knew I needed to get out of my comfort zone.

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And then I looked at what I was doing and I was like, oh my gosh, this is huge.

00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:21.519
And I trained for six months.

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I wore this elevation training mask.

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So uh it was had the face of a gorilla on it.

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So I would wear it in boxing class and everything like that.

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You can change out the little valves, and it would kind of mimic the amount of air you could pull into your lungs.

00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:42.240
So it's not has nothing to do with oxygen, but it has to do with building lung lung capacity.

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And it's like breathing through a straw, basically, by the end.

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So, but I got in the best shape of my life and I went.

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There were 16 of us, all strangers, and it was really interesting.

00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.559
You know, it was leadership at elevation, right?

00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:58.639
How you work with other people that you don't know.

00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:02.559
It's one thing in a boardroom, but a different thing when you're on a mountain.

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And majority of us, it was the first mountain we had ever climbed.

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And so it was a really interesting experience.

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For me, it was life-changing.

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Uh, when I reached the summit, I really realized like the whole point was for me to realize what I was capable of and that I didn't need to worry about what anybody else was thinking or what anybody else was saying, right?

00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:30.240
It was about me focusing on myself, believing in myself, telling myself what I was capable of, and then doing the work.

00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:35.359
So a couple of I want to, I have a few questions.

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So the the gorilla mask, how long did you have to wear that for?

00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:45.599
And was it like how what other kind of training besides just wearing that mask?

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I mean, you know, we lived in Florida for 20 years and there is not a hill there.

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So how did you train?

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So um I we had a treadmill that I would put at by the end at, you know, full elevation.

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I would do the steps in the parking garage at the hospital.

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I would carry my pack and boots and wear my mask anytime I walked outside.

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You know, I did boxing classes wearing it.

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Anything that I could do, I was doing.

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And so lifting weights, all of the things, making sure my legs were strong.

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Um, and yeah, so I could have trained for longer, but I didn't have the time.

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By the time I signed up, I had six months to get it all done.

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And so that was really my focus for those six months.

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And, you know, even more so than the physical aspect was the mental aspect, right?

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Like what am I getting myself into?

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You know, you're going to the bathroom outside, you're sleeping, it's freezing.

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And every time you have to get up to go to the bathroom, you gotta get out of the tent and get outside again.

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So a lot of it was the mental preparation of yes, you can do this, right?

00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.519
If you want something bad enough, you can do it.

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And that was uh, it was again life-changing.

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It sounds amazing.

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So um back to the mask, because this is just really, really interesting.

00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:04.720
And then I have a actual, you know, I have questions about the actual climb.

00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:20.319
So is this like a like a tube that's in your mouth that you no, it's actually so it literally looks like uh, you know, we don't have video, but it looks like a like any kind of mask, like a winter mask or something like that.

00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:23.519
And there are valves on the side, and you can adjust the valve.

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So basically, when you first start, you might put it at like 500 feet or a thousand feet.

00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:34.640
And so every time you adjust it to a higher level, like I think that mask went up to like 15,000 feet.

00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:37.839
So it mimicked like when you would take a breath, how little air.

00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:42.079
So you don't start at the the top, you you build yourself up like anything else.

00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.279
And so it literally looked like I had a gorilla on my face.

00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:47.359
Um, well gorilla face on my face.

00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:53.680
Oh and it just like velcroed around the back of my head and yeah, valves on each side, like near my cheeks.

00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.839
And then, you know, when you would breathe, it would, you know, pull the air in through there.

00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.599
So um, you know, less, less capacity.

00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:03.279
So it's restricting.

00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:04.000
Yeah, yes.

00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:05.680
It's restricting your breathing.

00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:06.799
Yes, absolutely.

00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:07.839
Restricting your breathing.

00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:13.039
And by the end of using it, I could actually hold my breath for two minutes, which I was never able to do that before.

00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.480
And I can probably tell you now, I can probably hold my breath for 30 seconds at best.

00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:18.640
So it really, it really worked.

00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:19.200
Yeah.

00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:23.519
So yeah, swimmers, we we love to hear about breathing and breath control.

00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.839
And yeah, we we do a lot of crazy so that's the breathing thing is very interesting.

00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:30.960
So, how long was the actual climb?

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Was it three nights, four nights, a week?

00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:36.160
Well, how long does it take to go up there?

00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:40.880
Yeah, it was the route that we took was five days up, two days down.

00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:45.440
Um, there's a shorter route that I think it's called the Cola Coca-Cola route that's like three days up.

00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:49.039
But it's, you know, you want to be able to acclimate, right?

00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:50.559
Because you don't take oxygen.

00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:53.039
There's you run out in two seconds.

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It's just too long of a climb to do it.

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And, you know, so you're sleeping in a tent.

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The best part for me was that uh we had tent mates.

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So I had a roommate I didn't know that I was gonna have, and she turned out to be fantastic.

00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:09.839
Uh, she's a um, she's very athletic.

00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:15.119
She's a she does all kinds of triathlons now, but she she was a breast cancer survivor.

00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:19.279
So it was really fun to have that experience with her.

00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:21.920
And yeah, five days up, two days down.

00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:26.799
Was there any doubt when you were climbing it and any pain?

00:21:26.799 --> 00:21:28.880
And like, was it hard to get through?

00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:36.640
Was it you got up there and like, oh my gosh, this is way worse than I thought it would be, or or easier, or like what were the hardships of it?

00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:40.720
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of doubt because I've never done anything like that before, right?

00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:43.920
And I am not a climber.

00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:48.640
And that was my first pair of hiking boots I ever owned was for that trip.

00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.480
So, yes, there was doubt.

00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.960
I mean, that voice inside my head was very loud.

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And I just told myself, one more step, just one more step.

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And that's kind of how I moved forward.

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I have had a couple Knee surgery.

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So I used to do triathlons and I hurt my knee running, had surgery, and then had a huge complication from the surgery.

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And I've had, you know, uh chronic issues with my patellar tendon since then.

00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:18.079
So I knew it was gonna be hard and the up was fine.

00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:18.960
It was the down.

00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.359
So the down was like the hardest part for me by the end.

00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:22.960
My knee was like one big balloon.

00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:26.079
And at the end, uh we we had like one more day.

00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:28.640
And the guy's like, Are you sure you don't want us to get you a vehicle?

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Like, oh no, I've come this far.

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I am going to make it.

00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:38.960
And it was interesting because one of the guides stayed back with me as we were walking back down.

00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:41.359
And he said, You know what?

00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:42.799
I'm seeing things differently.

00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:46.319
Like I typically were rushing to the end to get there.

00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:51.440
And he's like, I never even noticed before, like, because you go back through like the rainforest.

00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:54.559
And he said, I never even I can tell you, I've done this seven times.

00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:58.640
I've never seen the monkeys in the trees before because we were just rushing to get to the end.

00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:02.160
So thank you for having a knee injury and going slow.

00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:04.640
Oh, that's beautiful.

00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:06.000
That is beautiful.

00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:16.480
So, what would you say that your biggest obstacle in life, maybe it was climbing that mountain or your knee, you know, injuries.

00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:19.359
What have you overcome in life?

00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:30.640
So, you know, when I looked back and really thought about why I struggled so much, I feel like, you know, we all have some kind of situation that happens in our life that that brings on that self-doubt, right?

00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:35.519
Whether it's a teacher tells us we're not, you know, good enough at something or whatever it is.

00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:38.640
I, for me, I actually had an abusive boyfriend in high school.

00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.000
And that was probably the hardest thing.

00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.799
And what I did for years was I stuffed it down, right?

00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:50.160
I was with him for three years and then finally realized that I was not going to survive if I stayed.

00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:54.319
Um, got out of that situation and I moved forward.

00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:58.319
But the problem was I didn't address it before I moved forward.

00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:04.319
So it was always in my head that, oh, you're not pretty enough, you're not skinny enough, oh my gosh, you have stretch marks.

00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:09.359
Whatever, whatever the horrible things he used to say to me, that stuck with me for a really long time.

00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:17.279
And so really that that Kilimajaro climb really kind of made me realize why, why am I still doing this?

00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.839
Like, why am I focused on what he said?

00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:23.839
And so that was really the biggest thing I've overcome.

00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:26.319
Yeah, that that's awful.

00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:28.240
I'm so sorry that you went through that.

00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:33.839
And sometimes we don't even realize when we're in a an abusive relationship like that.

00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.000
And it it really takes its toll.

00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:44.559
If someone is in that space where they're in an abusive relationship, if someone backhands you, gives you a bruise on your face.

00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:50.160
But if it's something emotional and mental, sometimes you don't even recognize it.

00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:57.920
But what advice you would give to somebody if they just are in the toxic relationship that they feel this is not making me feel good.

00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:02.799
So for me, it was both emotional and actual physical abuse.

00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:07.680
But yeah, there's no reason we ever need to stay in a situation like that.

00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:13.359
And I know it's easier said than done to walk away, but that's exactly what I don't want to say sometimes.

00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:14.640
That's exactly what you have to do.

00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:16.000
Like you deserve respect.

00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.759
And again, for me, like that goes back to that self-respect piece.

00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:24.240
I'm not gonna talk to someone in a negative way.

00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:27.039
Would I allow them to talk to me like that?

00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:27.359
Right.

00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:31.440
And it's really kind of looking at our boundaries and saying, wait, this is not okay.

00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:32.319
This is not okay.

00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.400
Like this makes me feel like crap about myself.

00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.000
It's time to move on.

00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:41.680
Again, easier said than done because a lot of times there's financial things related to it.

00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:46.640
And and then there's also a, you know, when the other person won't let go and they come after you.

00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:48.400
Like for me, he stopped me, right?

00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:54.799
So it was more difficult than a lot of times we think, oh, why doesn't she just walk away?

00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:56.960
There's a lot of factors for it.

00:25:56.960 --> 00:26:02.480
And but for our our health, like we should always be able to walk away.

00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:10.160
Yes, that circles back so nicely to what we started with, which was the real confidence.

00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:14.640
And I want to put this out there because what you said just reminded me of it.

00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:26.400
Sometimes I say things to myself that I would never in a million years and I never have said to anyone else, oh boy, that was really stupid, or you did it awful at that.

00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:27.599
You'll never get that.

00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:32.319
I would never say half of the stuff that I say to myself to anyone.

00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.839
Is that the real crux of the respect yourself?

00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:36.319
Yeah.

00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:38.240
Talk to yourself like you would your best friend.

00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.440
You would not treat your best friend the way you treat yourself, you know?

00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.799
And a lot of times we don't even realize we're doing it, right?

00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:49.839
So I had a moment when my, so I have a podcast with my 22-year-old daughter.

00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:55.839
And she, when she was 15, we she came into my bathroom.

00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.440
I was getting ready for an event.

00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.039
I had gained some weight.

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I was berating myself, right?

00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:02.240
I can't believe you gained weight again.

00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:03.119
This is ridiculous.

00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:04.799
Why are you even gonna go to this event?

00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:06.880
Like, nobody's gonna want to be with you.

00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:11.759
And she was like, okay, first of all, mom, you're beautiful.

00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:13.519
Second of all, you have to stop.

00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.440
You're giving me a complex.

00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:20.400
How do you expect me to love my body when you don't even like your own?

00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:30.960
So I didn't know that I was doing that even, I didn't even think about it that I was doing it to myself, but I didn't definitely didn't realize how it was affecting people around me.

00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.839
And so that's such a big piece about respect yourself.

00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.680
Same thing at it doesn't matter where you are, at home, at work.

00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.720
If you say things like, oh, that, oh, I was I'm so stupid.

00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.000
I can't believe I did that.

00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.200
People are like, oh yeah, this is how she talks to herself.

00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.000
Like she's okay if we say stuff like that to her, right?

00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:54.480
No, we have to really take that step back and say, wait, this is what I'm doing to myself.

00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.559
And I would never do that to someone else.

00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:58.880
You're gonna live with yourself forever, right?

00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:01.200
Like you should be your best friend.

00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:02.079
Right.

00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:05.119
Yes, that is so, so valuable.

00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:05.759
Okay.

00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:11.759
So tell us a little bit about your book, The Extraordinary, Unordinary You.

00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:14.480
So that's my first book.

00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:16.160
It came out in 2020.

00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:21.680
It is all about realizing what you're capable of and recognizing that the little things you do every day matter.

00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.000
So, as I mentioned, I have six kids.

00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.400
We actually adopted our youngest three from Ethiopia and from South Korea.

00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:32.400
So it's their adoption stories, climbing Kilimanjaro.

00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:39.920
There's there's so much in there that, again, now when I read it, I'm like, wow, I didn't really know how much I was doing, right?

00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:44.079
I was not giving myself credit for the things that was happening.

00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:52.799
And that's kind of like the motivation for this book is for other people to read it and say, oh yeah, I'm doing a lot of cool things in this world.

00:28:52.799 --> 00:29:00.000
Um, and I need to understand that instead of not giving myself credit for and so much of it is about the little things we do every day, right?

00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.160
Because a lot of times we'll put, you know, so much pressure on ourselves.

00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:10.480
Like you've got to do bigger, you've got to do better, like you have to, like if you're a philanthropist, you've got to be giving a million dollars.

00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:12.319
Well, a dollar makes a difference, right?

00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:16.559
So it's it's the little things that really change people's lives.

00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.799
It changes the world around you.

00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:21.279
Yes, the the 1% rule.

00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:22.480
I love the little things.

00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:23.839
And what is your second book?

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Uh, my second book comes out in February, February 17th, 2026.

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It's called Real Confidence, a simple guide to go from unsure to unshakeable.

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So it's all with my real method.

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No, it's all about building confidence from the inside out.

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So we got the scoop early.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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We'll we will put these in the show notes.

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So, Simone, is there anything that um we haven't discussed or that I haven't asked you that you would like to share with our listeners?

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I would just like to live leave them with one last thought because so often we talk about having to change who we are.

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And I truly believe that we don't need to change who we are, we need to change the way we see ourselves.

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And that's how change happens.

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So, you know, it's it's really understanding our value, looking in the mirror and appreciating the person looking back at us instead of constantly being critical.

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That is such great advice.

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Well, wonderful.

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Well, um, thank you so much.

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This has been fabulous.

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I know I've gotten a lot out of it.

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I'm sure everyone has.

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And um, best of luck in um 2026 with your new book and continuing to inspire people.

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And uh, we appreciate you being on Champions Mojo.

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Thank you so much for having me here today.

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Thank you for listening to the Champions Mojo podcast.

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