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It's just been a slow, arduous process of making sure you commit to what you want to do and get into it.
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The best part is being a chef, I have the nutrition side of the things down.
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I know what I need to eat, when I need to eat them, and how much you need to eat them, even though I have a lot of good cheat days too.
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Hello, friends.
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This is Kelly Palace, host of Champions Mojo, your place for better health, resilience, and master swimming.
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I'm taking a short break from recording new episodes of Champions Mojo for two exciting reasons.
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First, I'm launching my latest book, False Cure.
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It's a whistleblowing investigative journalism book about a denied health epidemic.
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If you'd like more information on that, it's in the show notes.
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The second and most compelling reason I'm on a break is here at Champions Mojo, we're preparing for the January 2026 reboot of powerful new weekly episodes with expert guest interviews, inspiring topics, and tips to take your mindset, health, and personal performance to the next level.
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We will be announcing some exciting partnerships with show we will be announcing some exciting we will be announcing some incredible partnerships with the show, and I guarantee what we have in store for you will empower you and keep your mojo strong in the new year.
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While I'm prepping all this great stuff, we've selected While I'm preparing all this great stuff, we've selected some of our shows.
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While I'm preparing some of this great stuff, we've selected some of our best shows ever for an Encore series.
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My hope is that if this is your second time listening to this episode, you'll take away even more insight and motivation.
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Or if it's your first time, you'll love this episode as much as everyone else did.
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So settle in and enjoy this Encore presentation in its entirety.
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We are so excited today to hear from our special guest, Will Liebig, who has experienced the highs of crossing the finish line at an Iron Man race to the lows of facing self-doubt and setbacks.
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Will has experienced it all.
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He's here to share his insights, tips, and lessons learned from this transformational journey.
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So whether you're a seasoned athlete, a fitness enthusiast, or someone looking for motivation to overcome personal challenges, you are in for a treat.
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Maria, what else can you tell us about Will?
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Will is a former professionally trained chef who once weighed 300 pounds and has now become a high performing Iron Man triathlete, currently tipping the scales at a lean 174 pounds.
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That's right.
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If you did the math, that's well over 100 pounds.
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His journey is nothing short of remarkable, and we're thrilled to have him share his story with us.
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Will welcome to the show.
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Awesome.
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Thank you very much for having me, ladies.
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I appreciate it.
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Yes, we are we are so delighted.
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And Will, we got to start off by saying you are a high performing triathlete, but Will is like elite.
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I know I've heard of a couple of your triathlons, but tell us first, like what is the within the your Iron Man, well what's your best performance that you've ever had in Iron Man?
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It's definitely been a build in progress, obviously, with a lot of endurance sports.
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This is coming up on my fifth year doing this.
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And I just completed my third official full Iron Man distance, and that was Iron Man, Maryland last year in September.
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And I did that in nine hours and 15 minutes flat.
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Wow.
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So yeah.
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So that's it.
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And that's what I definitely like to tell people.
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It's not an overnight thing.
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You have to slowly work into it.
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You have to build to that goal.
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And that's the real key behind interim sports is consistency and time in the saddle, time on your feet.
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And just I my my big thing is I have to make a commitment to myself.
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So I have to commit to something.
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So nine hours and 15 minutes for an Iron Man is just incredible.
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And it's that is just that's just incredible.
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What what is that?
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2.4 mile swim, 112 bike, and a 26.2 in a marathon.
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Yep.
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Yeah, in a marathon.
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Wow.
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I might be lucky to do the marathon in nine hours.
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Okay.
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That's kind of what I was that was that's what I was thinking.
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That's amazing.
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Oh, and yeah.
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Well, and that's what I would definitely really like to say is everybody can do it.
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Everybody can do the Iron Man.
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I mean, a big story that I definitely got inspired by was Chris Nikich, who's the gentleman who has Down syndrome.
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And he was at my very first Iron Man.
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Um, and he was on the rack right in front of me, and his story is amazing.
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So, again, anybody can do it.
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So don't short yourselves.
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I know you guys could do it if you wanted to.
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So wow.
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Wow.
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So, well, we do know that we have a lot of master swimmers that listen to Champions Mojo, and we all three met through master swimming.
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And could you start with telling us how did you find master swimming?
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And where does that fit into this overall transformational journey for you, master swimming?
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So, master swimming I found early last year after a pretty good spout of doing a whole lot of swimming by myself.
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And I was a lifeguard for the city of Melbourne.
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I worked on the beach for years.
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So swimming was in my background, but I um I was putting myself sort of in the hypothetical hole, I guess you could say, swimming by myself and not having any community around it.
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So actually, I was starting to hate swimming.
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I was not happy with swimming.
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And so I started to reach out to a couple of triathletes that I knew, Ed Donner and a couple other guys, like that said, hey, BJ is always there.
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Check out the master swimming.
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And I really felt uh felt and I found a giant sense of community with this group.
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And the good mornings we get in the morning motivate me.
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And it's really, really nice to have a great group of individuals to to see as much as I want in the mornings Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturdays.
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So, and more than anything, it starts my day on those days.
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Those tougher days, Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays, are tougher days to get going, and that really helps me.
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So it's great.
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Do you have community in your in cycling and running as well?
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Or you those are solo?
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I do a lot of cycling by myself, but I have recently found a nice group of gentlemen and ladies that go from Starbucks.
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It's called the Starbucks Saturday ride.
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And the big thing was I didn't have a road bike for the longest time.
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I just had a tri-bike and a lot of roadies, I don't know if you know the bike scene, but a lot of roadies will sort of persecute you for having a TT bike in the in the road bike scene scene.
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So I finally got a road bike this last year and and I started branching out into a nice group called the Starbucks riders.
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So and then and then the running, I do a lot of solo, but I do a lot with a group too.
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So it's sort of individualizing everything.
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The best swimmers, the best bikers, and then the best runners.
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So that's really helps me get all the tools that I need.
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So to do the racing.
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Well, I think we have to ask the question of the hours, you know, how did you go from being this chef who was pretty overweight to this lean mean triathlon machine?
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I mean, what inspired you?
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How long did it take?
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Give us the whole rundown.
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Well, it was definitely a long process, I would say 10-year plus process.
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And it's had a lot of ups and downs, being that my wife was in the kitchen, we met.
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We met in culinary school.
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She actually sat right in front of me, and and we uh we went all the way through culinary school.
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And then obviously, you get into the kitchen.
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And the big thing is we came out of culinary school in 2008.
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So if you can imagine what was going on in 2008, um, a lot of time on your feet, a lot of working, and then obviously there's a lot of partying involved with the kitchen too.
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You don't just go home after you're done in the kitchen, you go out and have a drink, and uh so obviously I was drinking a lot of beer and I was uh eating a lot of butter because I was working a saute line.
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And uh and basically I started dating my wife, and my roommate at the time was a bodybuilder.
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He was actually going to his co uh culinary school, and he's you need to come and start you're seeing this new woman, you need to start doing gym work.
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So I started going to the gym, and then I started going twice a week and or twice a day, and I literally over the holiday break from school, I had lost like 40 pounds.
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I it just fell off.
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Again, he had me working pretty hard, my roommate.
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And I think it was mostly because I was courting why I wanted to really have a relationship with Lisa, and uh and that happened, and then and then obviously we went off and we moved to California for a couple years, and uh and the weight sort of went back up again, and then because I was working for gracious retirement living, which is basically taking care of the older generation, and uh, there were cookies every day, and there was rolls every day, and all the different things that you love to eat, and the weight went back up, and then we decided we we did our three-year California experience and came back to Florida, always end up back in Melbourne, Florida somehow.
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I don't know how.
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And uh, and basically that was 10 years into our relationship, and we were sitting on a beach in Tampa, and I looked at her and I said, Hey hun, why don't we get married?
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And 10 years after after we were together for 10 years, she said, Of course.
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But I made a deal with her.
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I said, We need to get in shape before we get married.
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We need to be more just overall better health.
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And it's funny, but that and I say it's funny, it's sad, but my grandparents had just passed away.
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And the one thing my grandfather always said to me when he was alive was, Will, you're such a good looking guy.
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Why aren't you in shape?
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And I always contribute his words, still always in my head, that I wish he could see me today because I've literally gotten in shape like he wanted to.
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So, but the thing that I related it at that when I started working on a lot was my grandpa rode his bike five miles a day until he was 96 years old.
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And that work, he did it every day consistently.
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You have to commit and you have to be consistent.
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And my grandma swam in the pool for an hour every day until she was 95 years old.
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So, again, that sort of worked it in.
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And my wife and I decided to start doing this boot camp at Health First, and we did the boot camp and we did the boot camp for two months, and the weight was just starting to fall off.
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And I was swimming and I was biking.
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And then my uncle, Tony, he was a collegiate cyclist, and my cousin was a collegiate cyclist and said, Hey, why don't you start riding with the cycling guys?
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So I rode with the cycling guys a little bit, and then he says, You're doing so well at cycling, why don't you throw the running in there and go try a triathlon?
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So I started doing a triathlon, and all this time we were losing weight and the weight was starting to really come off.
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But then I found triathlon and I really enjoyed it.
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And my first triathlon ever was the uh the pineapple man.
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And then I did the boardwalk right after that, and the rest is history, and then it was Iron Man's and my wife logistically getting all the different races together and all the different things.
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And again, it's just been a slow, arduous process of making sure you commit to what you want to do and get into it.
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So, and the best part is being a chef, I have the nutrition side of the things down.
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I know what I need to eat, when I need to eat them, and how much you need to eat them, even though I have a lot of good cheat days too.
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So that would be my next question is I think most people struggle with the weight loss part because it's so hard, it seems hard to eat well consistently.
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Do you have any do you have any words of encouragement on that?
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I think the biggest thing is you you that I've found, and it's truly all what you put in your mouth.
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It's if you can drop the sodas, and you and that was the first thing that went is I had to stop drinking soda.
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So I stopped drinking soda completely and I found an alternative.
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And you just have to drop those.
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Um, I don't want to say sugar is like the devil or anything like that.
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Sugar is amazing, but you just have to limit it in your life.
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And and but at the same time, it's going back to cheat days.
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You have to have those cheat days.
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You can't be on, not even the most professional athletes are on seven days a week.
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They have to have that one recoup day, and you have to reward yourself.
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You have to have that self-reward that really keeps you motivated and moving.
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So, but it's all what you eat.
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It's getting your macros down, getting your calories, and uh and don't eat too little.
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I suffered for that r really bad for a really long time.
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I had I had a pretty good case of body dysmorphia.
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I just wanted to be really lean, really thin, and I was actually making myself sick.
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I really was.
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So I even had my spleen was all telling me the blood tests were telling me I wasn't doing the right thing and this, that, and the other thing.
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And I had to pull myself back from that and really focus in on what mattered.
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So, and that's overall health.
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I would say it's about being overall healthy.
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Don't you don't have to be too skinny, you don't have to be out of shape, but you just need to be healthy.
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That's the key.
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So, Will, was there s like a time during this overall transformation that you had a really rough time?
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Yes.
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I had a really rough time about gosh, it's coming up on four years now.
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When my father passed away suddenly, it was it was very it was a tough time because I always used food as a crutch.
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Um, especially when I was in the kitchen.
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You would get done with a heavy, hard day, and two pitchers of beer were was nothing.
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I just drank two pitchers of beer.
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And again, that I don't want to say I was ever uh had a problem with alcohol, but I I did drink a lot and and that sort of spiked up a little bit when he passed away.
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I mean, because that's sort of just how I griefed.
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But then it was more of a it was more of a you've done all this work to to regress again and to go back to where you were is not where I want to be, and again, just have to re refocus your mind and and go back out there and do it, do it like he would want you to do it.
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So, or what how he wanted me to do it.
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So he got to see you do triathlons and he he did.
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He actually the last triathlon he got to see was Iron Man 70.3 Puerto Rico, which was an absolutely amazing trip.
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We had a great time, and and he was really, really happy for what I had accomplished, and and I know he's he's watching, so that's beautiful.
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So, Will, take us on the chef journey just a little bit, because obviously you've alluded to the fact that you were eating a lot when you were a chef.
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You're in a new career, but you still enjoy cooking.
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How do you balance that temptation or the fact that you and Lisa are chefs and that you cook a lot?
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How do you balance that being around food and wanting to cook with this new life?
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I think again, it goes back to the timing of the week.
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Fridays are our our Fridays and Saturdays are like cheat days.
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So, so where we go and enjoy really, really nice meals.
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Or as we're going on these different trips, when we were out in St.
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George, we went to Las Vegas and of course we went to a beautiful steakhouse and had that's my favorite thing to do is to go find the biggest steak possible and then to eat it.
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So and and again, rewarding myself and rewarding the hard work is what it's all about.
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I always laugh in the pool when I was actually talking to Benjamin today about it and uh and the good old Lane Four.
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Um, I don't know if you know Maria about Lane Four yet, but there's a bit of a camaraderie going on there.
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But Benjamin.
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Hey, wait, they all wear matching suits.
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Yes, we wear matching suits, whatever.
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And uh no, Benjamin has has just come back after a little bit of injury, and I was telling him what I love to do after a good race is my favorite drinking is to have a double bloody Mary, extra spicy, and that you have to have those rewards because if you don't have them, you're you're not gonna enjoy yourself.
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But I think more than anything, it's again just choosing those right foods and building some fun dishes at home.
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And I don't know if you guys know what sous vide is or not, but I've been messing around with a sous vide machine a lot.
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And yeah, no, no, you gotta explain it.
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Oh, okay.
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So sous vide is basically it's a long, a lot of things these days are sous vide, but it's basically cooked in water at a certain temperature for a really long time, and it makes anything you cook super tender.
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So, like we did pork chops this last weekend and uh and bone in pork chops, cut our own pork chops, and then sous-vide them for 12 hours and basically infuse them with all these spices.
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And again, it it that gives me the sense that I'm still in the kitchen where I get to cook up a really nice meal and have the sides.
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And I my wife and I plate because I'm always the guy that prepared everything, and then I would turn around to the pass, which is where you plate everything in the kitchen, and Lisa was always there because I was terrible at plating.
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I was I would just throw the sh the stuff on the plate, but she makes it look beautiful, and obviously you eat with your eyes before your mouth.
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So we need to drill down on that because that is just like what explain plating.
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So it it's it's where you obviously have your three main components, which is the center of the plate item, which is your meat or your protein, and then you have your starch, which is your risotto or your mashed potatoes, or your polenta.
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We love doing polenta, and and then obviously your vegetable, you always have to have all three items.
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And that's the other big thing that I like to stress is everything has to be in in in portion in unison.
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And when you're plating it up, what makes it beautiful?
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You get some height on the plate, or in this case where you're doing pork chops, you have a nice bone in the pork chop, and that's sort of the flair that brings the height to the plate.
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And again, just makes it makes it look more appetizing before you consume it.
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And and again, I'm very traditional French trained, so it's a lot of heavy cream sauces and lots of butter.
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I love I love butter.
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Butter is my favorite thing in the entire world.
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It's butter, cream, and butter.
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Those are my three maybe with you.
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And I mean, and that's what it's all about.
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And and that's the sad part is that that's the other thing that I will stress is don't be afraid of those things.
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They're wonderful for you.
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They the whole 90s and early 2000s, oh fat everything.
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I eat a ton of ton of olive oil, ton of butter, ton of cream, and that really that's a huge fuel in an endurance sport.
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So make sure you're getting all that in into your diets.
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So that is fantastic.
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So, so the idea that like maybe that's why we enjoy eating out.
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You go to a lot of buffets or you serve buffet, like you have go to someone's house to eat, and it's just it's a buffet.
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So you just kind of sloping on your plate.
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But the idea of plating, I just love that.
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I love that you eat with your eyes first.
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That is really cool.
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So, gosh, Will, so there's so many things.
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So we kind of talked about your routine, which are your reward and you obviously work super hard, but what are some things that you think champions share, like some common traits that are important if people are going to achieve these really rich goals like you you have achieved?
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I definitely think, and I would definitely look to Mike Murder for teaching more of this too, but the hard is hard.
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You have to go hard for 20% of the workouts.
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And then obviously the rest needs to be easy.
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And for the longest time, especially earlier on in my triathlon career, it was hard all the time, that gray zone, that middle zone where you shouldn't be all the time, but I was always there.
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And once you figure that side of things out and you're able to literally go in, and that was the one that I can point in my whole time in triathlon, there was a time where we were over in Claremont and we were riding with a bunch of professional triathletes.
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And to watch them go for the first hour and a half at just conversation, relaxing pace, get out to where we were going to start our workout.
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And then all of a sudden it was bam.